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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby Agent 86 » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:42 pm

mashjaja wrote:Visa issues the first half of season; not picked to ride in the Vuelta despite verbal promises to the contrary:


Well if I got a ride on a ProTour team I would make sure not to have any Visa issues! Ferretti most likely knew he was not on form or some other team member was in better form, I doubt they left him off for anything else, Ferretti is about winning, but I could be wrong as it was toward the end of the year and maybe Tommy D's fate was already set and they left him off the Vuelta team.
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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby mashjaja » Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:55 pm

Not sure what the visa issue was. Its one of the ?s I emailed him a month ago. But I do know from everything w/luca and w/researching my dream future job, visa issues aren't always within your control.

In terms of the vuelta situation, sounds like he assumed hed be picked and would be given the chance to go for gc, but the team wanted to focus on the more "sure thing" with ale-jet and stage wins. In his defence, tommy d has done well in the vuelta in his career--no, not winning. But maybe that's unrealistic.

I think the problem is that he has always been billed as the "next lance," and he hasn't generally been the one shouting that. He just wants to ride as best he can and, like horner, he seems plagued with bad luck. Mic rogers and stuey seem to have that problem, too. So everyone expected tommy to be the "next and coming," and when he yes, for sure, failed to meet that hype, we've felt let down repeatedly.

Maybe its better to look at him as a super-domestique--about the same skill level as vdv--and not try to compare him to lance. It has always seemed for me, though, that's its those around him doing most of the boosting and not him himself.

When I'm back on my computer tomorrow night, I can add some of the more-interesting things I learned in researching for the still-waiting interview.
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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby Agent 86 » Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:24 pm

mashjaja wrote:I think the problem is that he has always been billed as the "next lance," and he hasn't generally been the one shouting that. He just wants to ride as best he can and, like horner, he seems plagued with bad luck. Mic rogers and stuey seem to have that problem, too. So everyone expected tommy to be the "next and coming," and when he yes, for sure, failed to meet that hype, we've felt let down repeatedly.


Well the hype hasn't helped him but he's also done some good things in the states to use as his launching pad but nothing. That hill climb in Colorado he's got the record on (I think), much like Tyler's in Mass. record but he's yet to move up out of the shadows in Europe.

Maybe its better to look at him as a super-domestique--about the same skill level as vdv--and not try to compare him to lance. It has always seemed for me, though, that's its those around him doing most of the boosting and not him himself.

When I'm back on my computer tomorrow night, I can add some of the more-interesting things I learned in researching for the still-waiting interview.


Maybe just domestique, the super can come later. Didn't Millar's recent interview in CycleSport also cover his humbling and learning to be a good domestique cast any influence on Tommy D?

In reading I see some analogy between Millar and Tommy D, not the doping but expectation and hype. Millar also was touted as the next great Brit Rider and was being groomed to be that. Of course he hit a snag or self imposed his snag but the outcome is similar to Tommy D. Both are destined to be domestiques if they can realize it or Tommy D can realize it, Millar has. Sure Millar still has a jab at a win here and there but he knows all to well all the cards have to go his way to actually win, his attempts are what still classify him as a good rider. His post race analysis is very spot on. When will we see Tommy D do the same?
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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby mashjaja » Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:52 am

I like the comparison to Miller--seems like a solid one to me.
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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby mashjaja » Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:01 pm

here we go...interesting things i found in researching tommy d:

he has a degree in psychology and marketing from Fort Lewis College.
he started a foundation to raise money for a Fort Lewis College Cycling Scholarship.
in 2006, he established the Tom Danielson Junior Race Series and Camps to “provide support, encouragement, and skills development to junior racers in a competitive environment.”
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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby Agent 86 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:35 pm

mashjaja wrote:here we go...interesting things i found in researching tommy d:

he has a degree in psychology and marketing from Fort Lewis College.


My research returns no ranking for Fort Lewis in Psychology :?
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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby mashjaja » Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:36 pm

idk lol--again, this is based on my research i turned into ?'s i'm still waiting for him to answer!
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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby PotholeDodger » Tue Apr 06, 2010 2:20 pm

I was driving home from some errands on Saturday, and happened to see a guy wearing full Garmin kit, but riding a folding bicycle with little wheels... I couldn't help but burst out laughing! :lol:
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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby kimmi » Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:19 pm

PotholeDodger wrote:I was driving home from some errands on Saturday, and happened to see a guy wearing full Garmin kit, but riding a folding bicycle with little wheels... I couldn't help but burst out laughing! :lol:


Where was the helmet cam when you need it?!? :lol: :lol: :lol:

maybe it was the Z-Man 8)
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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby mashjaja » Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:38 pm

Kirk Carlsen's from New Hampshire.....
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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby Agent 86 » Mon May 10, 2010 7:27 am

There goes another Garmin season to injury...

Broken collarbone suspected after stage 3 crash

American Christian Vande Velde has crashed out of the Giro d'Italia after falling victim to a crash on the third stage in the Netherlands.

The Garmin-Transitions rider came to grief with about 35km to go on the 224km stage from Amsterdam to Middelburg. Team director Matt White confirmed from the race they suspect Vande Velde has a broken collarbone.

The crash was Vande Velde's second of the race. He fell on stage two, but only suffered a gash to his leg from a chainring.

It is the second year in a row that Vande Velde has crashed out of the Giro d'Italia in the first week. Last year he suffered much more severe injuries, with several fractured vertebrae and broken ribs.
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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby kimmi » Mon May 10, 2010 9:42 am

:roll: that's some serious BAD luck for Vande Velde...sad
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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby mashjaja » Mon May 10, 2010 2:34 pm

he should probably start skipping the Giro to better prepare for the Tour!!
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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby kimmi » Tue May 11, 2010 6:55 am

Today in Antwerp, Vande Velde is scheduled to undergo surgery on his injured shoulder. He says he plans to do everything possible to be on the starting line at TDF.

Vande Velde twitter:
the collarbone is in three pieces! Throwing a plate on that bad boy in a few hours. See you on the other side.
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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby kimmi » Wed May 12, 2010 5:57 am

Christian Vande Velde twitter: "Surgery was a success. 8 screws and a plate, I am now bionic on both sides." No carbon clavicle implant though.
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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby dvora » Wed May 12, 2010 11:43 am

kimmi wrote:Christian Vande Velde twitter: "Surgery was a success. 8 screws and a plate, I am now bionic on both sides." No carbon clavicle implant though.


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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby mashjaja » Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:53 am

CN had this article today. I'm not sure why, but it struck me as odd--almost like everything's not all hunky-dory in argyle world:

Jonathan Vaughters told Christian Vande Velde to go home and forget about racing until he has the motivation to come back. The Garmin-Transitions rider crashed heavily on stage 2 and failed to start the following day due to his injuries.

Garmin had finished both of their previous two Tours with all nine riders, but Vande Velde has had a horrendous run of luck in the last 18 months, crashing out of last two Giros an now this year's Tour.

"We've always finished with all nine riders, every year since we started doing this, and obviously that's not going to happen this year. Of course it's disappointing, but we've got a lot of guys who were dedicated to Christian who have been itching for their own chance for quite a while so today they're going to get it," Vaughters told Cyclingnews.

But when asked where Vande Velde's latest crash left his career Vaughter's replied, "That's a reasonable question. At this point in time, Christian needs to go home and forget about bike racing for a while and get back to the things that he enjoys in life and then decide when he feels like he's ready to race and wants to race again. He's got to decide that he really wants to get back into it. That's going to be something that he's going to have figure out."

"You have to remember that Christian and I started being friends in 1997. He's my friend first and my employee second and so at this point in time I just want him to figure out the motivation to really race again."
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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby Agent 86 » Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:55 pm

Almost like Johnny V put the DS hat on and started to put the word retirement in his head.
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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby mashjaja » Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:29 pm

yeah....that's kinda what I'm vibing....and with Contador's name being toss around as a possibility to go to Garmin, those are some dots to connect....but that's also why I thought I may be reading into it too far.
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Re: Garmin | Slipstream FanZone!

Postby mashjaja » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:16 am

Ryder has re-signed until 2013
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